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Post by Dominique Martin on Sept 29, 2016 1:24:27 GMT
I don't know that this is really relevant, but it's something that immediately caught my attention. Near the beginning of the book, women interrupt a fight between the Sabines and the Romans. Knowing that they were in conflict over them they express, they instead of the men fighting they should just slay the women who are the cause of the fight. "And surely it were better for us to die than to live if we be bereaved of our fathers or of our husbands."
This brought me back to our discussion of the Aeneid, thinking that it was Virgil's interpretation of women and them being and instrument for movement in the story. It makes me wonder if that's just how it was. Women knew that men were superior and that was that. A women's place was to make home and bear children, they didn't have much worth besides that and the women knew it.
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artsykat
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Post by artsykat on Sept 30, 2016 16:42:34 GMT
I think that it could be looked at both ways. To me, the woman here come across very brave in a sense. They intervene, avoiding what would might have been a lot of bloodshed. The woman at the time cared more about their families than themselves, despite how stupid the men could seem. To me, it almost seems that Livy wanted to show that the woman were strong enough to avoid a whole freaking war. I don't see them being week in character like in the other books, despite them not really having a say in what's going on in their life. I think that behind all the wars and warriors, woman were playing a very important part that was just covered in the shadows of what the men were doing. Like I said, this could be taken both ways
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Post by Christopher Martin on Oct 1, 2016 14:39:21 GMT
Excellent points, I don't think I have much to add here except to highlight what's already been said: Yes, women have AGENCY in Livy (meaning that they are able to act and do things for themselves . . . they can shape the story) This is a development even from Virgil, where the women set fire to the Trojan fleet (an action ultimately without major consequences). Yes, women still quite easily put aside whenever the men feel like doing so . . . (e.g., when the Roman hero slays his sister, and ultimately pays no penalty for it, and, in general, there's no such thing as a women stateman . . . but can you think of the sole exception? ) Definitely keep an eye on this theme as we continue through our readings . . .
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